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### t Distributions

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- Intro
- Roadmap
- When to Use z vs. t?
- What is z and t?
- Why not z? (Why t?)
- But Don't Worry!
- Rules of t Distributions
- Degrees of Freedom (df)
- t Family of Distributions
- How to Find It?
- Example 1: Which Distribution Do You Use? Z or t?
- Example 2: Friends on Facebook
- Example 3: t Distributions
- Example 4: t Distributions , confidence interval, and mean

- Intro 0:00
- Roadmap 0:04
- Roadmap
- When to Use z vs. t? 1:07
- When to Use z vs. t?
- What is z and t? 3:02
- z-score and t-score: Commonality
- z-score and t-score: Formulas
- z-score and t-score: Difference
- Why not z? (Why t?) 7:24
- Why not z? (Why t?)
- But Don't Worry! 15:13
- Gossett and t-distributions
- Rules of t Distributions 17:05
- t-distributions are More Normal as n Gets Bigger
- t-distributions are a Family of Distributions
- Degrees of Freedom (df) 20:02
- Degrees of Freedom (df)
- t Family of Distributions 24:07
- t Family of Distributions : df = 2 , 4, and 60
- df = 60
- df = 2
- How to Find It? 31:01
- 'Student's t-distribution' or 't-distribution'
- Excel Example
- Example 1: Which Distribution Do You Use? Z or t? 45:26
- Example 2: Friends on Facebook 47:41
- Example 3: t Distributions 52:15
- Example 4: t Distributions , confidence interval, and mean 55:59

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### Transcription: t Distributions

*Hi and welcome to www.educator.com.*0000

*Today we are going to talk about t-distribution.*0001

*Previously, we learn that there are different situations where we use z and when you use t.*0004

*Today we are going to talk about when to use z versus t.*0011

*We are going to break down and sort of reflect and recognize what is z and t?*0015

*What do they have in common and with is different about them?*0022

*For certain cases we are going to ask question, why not z why t instead?*0024

*What does not z have?*0031

*What is deficient about z?*0033

*We will talk about rules of t distribution, they follow certain patterns and t distributions*0035

*are a family of distributions separated by degrees of freedom.*0044

*Different t distributions have different degrees of freedom.*0049

*We are going to talk about what are degrees of freedom?*0053

*We are going to talk about how degrees of freedom relates to that family of t distribution, and then finally summarize how to find t.*0056

*First off, when do we use z versus t?*0065

*We covered in the previous sections where we look at whether we knew the population parameters or not.*0072

*In hypothesis testing, we frequently do not know the mu of the population, but sometimes we are given sigma for some reason or another.*0080

*In this case we use z in order to figure out how many standard errors away from the mean we are in our SDOM.*0091

*But in other situations, we do not know what sigma is.*0102

*In that case we use t in order to figure out how many standard errors away our x bar is from our mu.*0107

*Just to draw that picture for you remember we are interested in the SDOM because the SDOM tends to be normal given certain conditions.*0118

*Although mu sub x bar = mu given the CLT what we often want to know is if we have x bar that fall here or x bar that falls here.*0126

*We want to know how far away it is from the mu sub x bar.*0147

*In order to find that we would not just use the raw score and get the raw distance but we would want that distance in terms of standard deviation.*0153

*But because this is the SDOM, we call it the standard error.*0165

*We would either want a z or t and these numbers tell us how many standard errors away we are from this point right in the mu.*0168

*What is the z and t?*0181

*The commonality as we saw before is it tells us number of standard error away from mu sub x bar and that is common to both.*0186

*That is what the z score and t score both have in common.*0208

*Because of that their formula looked very much the same.*0213

*For instance, one way we can write the z formula is like this.*0217

*We have x bar - mu or mu sub x bar they are the same and this gives us the distance in terms of just the raw values.*0231

*Just how many whatever inches away, points away, whatever it is.*0251

*Whatever your raw score means, degrees away divided by standard error.*0258

*If we double-click on that standard error and look at what is inside than the standard error also written as sigma sub x bar*0264

*because it is the standard deviation of a whole bunch of mean = sigma ÷ √n.*0275

*If we look at the t score formula then we have almost the same formula.*0284

*We have that distance ÷ how big your little steps are, how big your standard deviations are.*0294

*But when we double-click on the standard error like something on the desktop, you double-click it and open it up what is inside?*0302

*Well, you could also write this one as s sub x bar and that would be s ÷ √n.*0311

*Here in lies this difference right there.*0323

*That is our difference.*0325

*Here the difference is that standard error found using the sigma, the true population standard deviation.*0327

*Obviously if you use the real deal that is better or more accurate than the standard error found using estimate population standard deviation.*0345

*That is s.*0371

*S is estimated from the sample and if we double clicked on s it would look like this.*0375

*It is that basic idea of all the squared deviations away from x bar, away from the mean of the sample.*0383

*X sub i - x bar ^{2}.*0395

*We have all the squared deviations and we add them up ÷ n -1 because this is our estimate of the population standard deviations*0402

*and all of that under the square root sign in order to just leave us a standard deviation rather than variance.*0414

*This is an estimate of population standard deviation.*0421

*It is not the real deal, so it is not as accurate.*0426

*One thing you should know is that the z score is less variable and the t score is going to be more variable.*0430

*That is going to come in to bear on why we use which one.*0438

*Okay, so why not z?*0443

*When we have situations where we do not have the population standard deviation, why not z?*0448

*Why cannot just be like you are using s, why cannot we do that?*0458

*Why do we use t?*0466

*It is because we use s this is actually something a little bit weird.*0468

*The weirdness comes from the fact that this s is much more variable than sigma.*0474

*Sometimes when we get our estimate, our estimate is scat on.*0481

*Sometimes when we get our estimate it is off.*0485

*That is what we mean when it is more variable.*0489

*It is not going to hit the nail and head everything single time.*0491

*It is going to vary in its accuracy.*0495

*Now z scores are normally distributed when SDOM is normal.*0497

*Here is what this means.*0502

*The way you can think about it is like this, when the SDOM is normal and we pick a bunch of points out*0503

*and find the standard error from those points and plot those, we will get another normal distribution.*0516

*But that is not necessarily the case for s.*0523

*Here we need to know that z scores are nice because z scores is going to perfectly cut off that normal distribution accurately for you.*0530

*Remember, the normal distribution it always has that probability underneath the pro and it has these little marks.*0547

*These can be set in terms of z scores.*0557

*What is nice about the SDOM when it is normal is that when we have the z score it will perfectly match to the proportion of the curve that it covers.*0563

*This will always match.*0579

*The problem is t scores do not match up in this way.*0581

*We can just say why do we just call a t score a z score and still use the same areas underneath the curve?*0587

*We cannot do that because that is just the superficial change.*0600

*Here is what we mean by the z scores are normally distributed.*0603

*When you get z scores and when we talk about normal distribution, I'm not just talking about that bell shaped curve.*0611

*Yes overall it should have that bell shaped general shape but it is a little more specific than that.*0619

*You can have the bell shaped and have the perfect normal distribution.*0628

*For instance, 1 standard deviation away this is area will give you 34% of the area underneath the curve.*0635

*This area is about 14% and this area is about 2%.*0645

*That is a true normal distribution.*0653

*This on the other hand, it looks on the surface as if it is normally distributed.*0656

*It looks like that bell shaped curve, but it is not.*0662

*Here is why.*0665

*This area, I should have actually drawn it a little bit differently, but I want to show you that do not go by appearances.*0666

*Appearances can be deceiving.*0677

*This might actually be a little bit less than 34%.*0678

*It might be something like 25%.*0685

*If that was the case, you would see this area and that area is not 34%.*0688

*It is 25%.*0700

*Not only that but this area is now a little bit more than 13 ½, it is around 14%.*0701

*Now this area is not 2% but 11%.*0710

*Although it looks like a bell shaped curve, it is not quite a normal distribution because*0715

*it does not follow that empirical rule that we have talked about before.*0722

*What is nice about z scores is that z scores will always fall in this pattern.*0726

*These z scores will always correspond to these numbers.*0731

*That is why you could always use that z table in the back and rely on it.*0735

*The t scores are not going to do that for you.*0739

*T scores may not give you that perfect 34, 13 ½ and 2% sort of distribution.*0746

*Even though the SDOM might be normal, the t scores are not necessarily normal.*0753

*We had this normal thing and we have t scores and how do we go from t score's defining this area underneath the curve.*0762

*That is the problem we have here.*0772

*It turns out that if n is big then this does not matter as much.*0774

*It n is really large, if your sample size is large then the t distribution approximates normal.*0782

*It goes towards normal but when n is small, then you have to worry.*0788

*Also when n is in the middle or when n is big, it is just large.*0795

*There are all these situations where you have to worry about the t as well as the area underneath the curve.*0801

*If the t scores are not normally distributed then we cannot calculate the area underneath the curve.*0810

*If we have our lovely SDOM and we know that the SDOM is nice and normal and we have our mu sub x bar here then everything is fine and dandy.*0816

*We have x bar here and we want to find that distance, and we find the t score.*0832

*The problem is we cannot translate from this directly into this area.*0838

*That is the problem we ran into.*0844

*Here what we see is this sort of more like a t distribution than a z distribution.*0847

*I'm just going to call the z distributions to call them basically, the normal distribution.*0865

*The t distribution is often a little bit smooched.*0871

*Think of having that perfect normal bell shape.*0876

*It is squishing the top of it down.*0880

*It makes that shape ball out a little bit.*0882

*It is not as sharply peaked but a little bit more variable.*0888

*We had said the s is more variable than the sigma.*0895

*It makes sense that the t comes from s is more variable than the z that comes from sigma.*0902

*You might be thinking what are we stuck?*0911

*We are not stuck and here is why.*0921

*He actually worked out all the t distributions as well.*0924

*He manually calculated a lot of the t distributions and made tables of the t distributions that we still use today.*0928

*He published those tables and under the pseudonym the student.*0944

*At the time he was working for Guinness brewery and he could not publish because they were sort of like we do not want you to know who we are.*0949

*Our secrets are very dark beer.*0957

*He published under the pseudonym and because of that some of your t distributions*0960

*in the back of your book maybe labeled the students t to talk about Bosset’s t.*0967

*Here is what Bosset found, he found that t distribution can be reliable to.*0973

*You can know about them it is just that you need more information when you need for the z distribution.*0980

*For z distribution you do not need to know anything.*0988

*You just need to know z and it will give you the probability.*0990

*Life is simple.*0993

*T distributions are not that simple, but not that complicated either.*0995

*They had a few more conditions to satisfy and the biggest condition that you will have to know is about degrees of freedom.*1002

*Because for each degree of freedom there is a slightly different t distribution that goes along with it.*1012

*Let us talk about some of the rules that govern t distributions.*1024

*The first one you already know as t distribution gets more normal as n gets bigger.*1031

*This makes sense if we step back and think about it for a second.*1039

*Imagine if n=n then what would your s be?*1042

*If your sample is like a entire population then s should be much closer to the actual*1054

*population standard deviation much better than when n is small.*1071

*It is still a little off because of the n-1 thing but it is very close and that is the closest you can get.*1077

*T distributions are more normalized and gets bigger because s is a better estimate of sigma as n gets bigger.*1085

*That makes sense.*1111

*The problem all stems from s.*1113

*It is variability that as s gets better, less variable and more accurate to the population then t gets better.*1116

*T is based on s.*1128

*That is like t distributions are more normalized as n gets bigger.*1130

*T distributions are a family of distribution.*1135

*It is not just one distribution.*1138

*It is a whole bunch of them that are alike in some way and it depends on n.*1140

*It depends technically on degrees of freedom, but you can say it depend on n sometimes because degrees of freedom is often n -1.*1145

*There are other kinds of degrees of freedom this is the one you need to know for now.*1154

*But later on we will distinguish between different kinds of degrees of freedom.*1159

*Degrees of freedom is actually important as a general idea it is just the number of data points -1.*1163

*We have a family of distributions.*1174

*They all look sort of a like.*1178

*They are all symmetrical and they are unimodal and they have that bell like shape, but they're not quite normal.*1179

*Not all of them.*1190

*As n gets bigger, or as degrees of freedom gets bigger the distribution becomes more and more normal.*1191

*Let us step back and talk a little bit about degrees of freedom first.*1201

*Let us assume there are three subjects in one samples so n=3.*1207

*We know that just by the blind formula n -1 degrees of freedom is 2 but what does this mean?*1213

*Here is the thing.*1224

*Let us assume there are three subjects in one sample and let us say it is some score on a statistics test.*1228

*They can score from 0 to 100 and if I say pick any 3 scores you want and that could be those subject scores.*1235

*Your degrees of freedom would be 3.*1244

*You are free to choose any 3 scores.*1246

*You are not limited.*1249

*You are not restricted in any way.*1250

*If you figure out any sample statistic, let us say the mean or variance.*1253

*If you figure out any sample statistic then if you randomly picked 2 of those scores you can no longer just pick the 3rd score freely.*1261

*You have to pick a particular score because you already used up some of your populations for the mean.*1274

*The mean will constrain which two scores you could pick.*1283

*This logic will become more important later.*1288

*Let us put some numbers in here.*1292

*Let us talk about the case when n= 3 and degrees of freedom = 3.*1294

*It would be like there are three subjects and they could score from 0 to 100.*1299

*I am totally free.*1310

*I can pick 87, 52, my last score I can pick anything I want.*1314

*I can pick 52 again, 100, or 0.*1321

*It does not matter.*1325

*I can just pick any score I want.*1326

*If I erase these other scores I will just put in a different score.*1328

*It does not matter.*1333

*I'm very free to vary.*1335

*But let us talk about the most situations that we have in statistics where we figure out summary statistics.*1337

*Here we have n=3 and degrees of freedom =2.*1345

*Here is why.*1350

*The score is the same, it can go from 0 to 100.*1351

*We also found the x bar =50.*1358

*If we found that the x bar = 50, then we cannot just take any score all 3 times.*1363

*Can we pick any score for the first one?*1374

*Yes I can pick 0.*1377

*Can I pick any score for the 2nd one?*1379

*Sure, I can pick 100.*1383

*Now that third score I cannot take any score.*1386

*If I pick 72 my mean would not be 50.*1392

*If I pick 42 my mean would not be 50.*1394

*If I pick another 0, my mean would not be 50.*1399

*That is the problem and because of that if this is my data set so far I have been free to vary.*1403

*I freely chose this guy but this last one I am locked in.*1410

*I have to choose 50.*1415

*That is the only way I can get a mean of 50.*1417

*That is what we call degrees of freedom.*1420

*This logic is going to become more important later on, but for now what you can think about is*1423

*because we are deriving other summary statistics from our sample we are not completely free to vary.*1429

*We locked ourselves down.*1437

*We pinned ourselves down and built little gates for us at the borders.*1439

*Now you know degrees of freedom and we know as degrees of freedom or n goes up we see more and more normal like distributions.*1445

*I have drawn three distributions here for you.*1460

*Here you might notice that I have used basically the same picture of a curve for all three of these.*1462

*You might think they have all the same distribution.*1469

*Not true because you have to take a look at the way that I have shown you that t down here.*1473

*The way that I have labeled this x axis or t axis in this case is really to change our interpretation of these curves.*1482

*Remember what the normal distribution says.*1493

*The normal distribution says 1 standard deviation to the right or positive side, 1 standard deviation*1496

*to the negative side that area should be about 68% of your entire curve.*1502

*Is it true here?*1507

*No it is not, this does not look like more than 50% of the curve.*1510

*This looks like maybe 1/3.*1521

*Maybe a little less than 1/3.*1526

*This is starting to look more like 60% of the curve, but still maybe not quite 68% of the curve.*1528

*It is still only looks like may be 50% of the curve or a little more.*1539

*Imagine that this was shifted in the middle this would be more like 68% of the curves.*1544

*Something like this would be more like 60% of the curve.*1560

*That is how you can see that as your degrees of freedom increases it becomes more and more normal.*1567

*Even this is not quite normal.*1582

*This is not quite 68% but a little bit less actually.*1585

*As the DF gets bigger and bigger that area starts to look more and more like the normal distribution.*1588

*Now there is another way I can draw these pictures and I believe in this other way you can see more easily how helped this is more variable version.*1598

*Remember I am saying that t distribution is like you are stomping down on the peak of it and smooching it out a little bit.*1615

*I believe that if I draw the same picture in a slightly different way you will see why.*1624

*In this case, here is what I have done.*1630

*I have kept the t axis the same and now it is labeled in the same way, but I have drawn these distributions in a slightly different way.*1634

*Now this one is a little wider and this one is less wide and this one is even less wide.*1647

*It becomes more narrow, more like the normal distribution.*1656

*Notice that if I drew the line here, a little bit after 1 standard deviation away we see they are a little of that curve on the side.*1661

*You know if that is 50% and maybe 15%, 10%, something like that.*1675

*This might look more roughly equivalent to this, maybe a little bit less.*1685

*Maybe like 20%.*1693

*This looks like much more than this.*1695

*Maybe this is like 25 or 30% even compared to this.*1700

*In that way you can see using the same concepts the drawing and picture in a slightly different way that this distribution is much more variable.*1706

*It is spread is very wide.*1719

*Where is this distribution is much less variable?*1721

*Remember t is all because of the variability found in s.*1725

*When s is very, very variable and n is very small, s is very variable, so the t distribution is also quite variable.*1731

*As s n gets bigger, s gets more and more accurate, more like the actual standard deviation of the population.*1741

*And because of that, it becomes more and more normal.*1752

*Let us break this one down.*1755

*In degrees of freedom of 60, here is what it might look like.*1761

*It might look something that is very close to our 34, 13 ½ , 2% normal distribution.*1769

*If we drew our little lines there, that would probably look very close to this picture.*1777

*It looks pretty close.*1792

*When we draw something like this, this area might only be 25% of this whole curve.*1797

*This other areas also combined 25%.*1810

*If I split this like this, then this would be something like 14%.*1817

*A little bit less than this but still quite a bit.*1826

*This one might even be more than 14%, maybe like 18%.*1832

*As you can see that in this distribution even though I have drawn it like this and just labeled it differently.*1840

*In reality, it will look more like this if you kept this t axis to be constant.*1849

*It will look sort of smooched out.*1855

*How do you find t at the end of the day?*1859

*How do you find the t and not only that how do you find the probability associated with that t?*1867

*For instance, where t is greater than 2?*1874

*How do you find these probabilities?*1878

*We know how to do it for z but how do you do it for t?*1881

*One thing that you could do is you can look at the back of your book usually in the appendix section*1884

*there is something called the t distribution or the students t distributions that you can look at.*1892

*Oftentimes it will have degrees of freedom on one side like 2, 3, 4, 5 all the way down and then it will show you either one tailed or two tailed area.*1898

*It might give you .25, .10 and .05, .025.*1914

*It might give you these areas.*1926

*The number right here tells you the t score at that place.*1929

*If you wanted to know where the 25% cut off is, what this t score is for degrees of freedom = 2 distribution and you would look right here.*1935

*If you wanted to know it for .025 then you would look here.*1962

*You want to look for degrees of freedom, as well as how much of the curve you're trying to cover.*1975

*That is definitely one way to do it.*1984

*The other way you could do it is by using Excel and just like how Excel will help you find probabilities*1988

*and z scores for the standardized normal distribution you can also find it in Excel for the t distribution.*1995

*It needs a couple of hints.*2003

*Let us start off with tdist.*2006

*Tdist is the case where you want to find the probability but you have everything else.*2012

*What the tdist will do is if you put in the degrees of freedom and you put in the actual x value.*2019

*You can think of the x value as the t value and it will only take positive t values.*2033

*For instance, a t value of 1 and the number of tails if you want this entire area or you just want that area alone.*2039

*You can either put in one or two then it will give you the probability of this area.*2058

*I can show you right here.*2066

*Let us put in tdist for t(1) and degrees of freedom 2 and let us look at what it might say for two tails.*2070

*It will say 42% and if you look at this exact same thing, but if you look at it for one tail it will just divide this area in half.*2098

*21% and 42% makes sense.*2111

*Basically this is giving you this area + this area if you want 2 tails.*2116

*But if you only want one tail it will just give you this area.*2122

*We know that for 95% competence interval we often use z score of 1.96 and that will give us a tail of .025 or if we count two tails 25%.*2125

*Let us see what this gives for 1.96 when we have a degrees of freedom of only 2.*2149

*Let us put in 1.96.*2158

*If we put that in our z score, if we put in 2 tails we would only get 5%, but let us see what we get here.*2163

*Degrees of freedom 2 and number of tails let us put in 2.*2173

*Do you think this should be more or less than 5%?*2179

*Let us think about this.*2183

*The t distribution is like slightly smooched, it is more spread out and because of that it is going to have this longer tail.*2186

*It is not going to be nice and all compact in the middle.*2196

*It will be spread out.*2200

*We would imagine that it have a fat tail.*2202

*I would say more than 5%.*2204

*We see that it is almost 20% a t of 1.96.*2207

*Let us put that same z score in.*2216

*Normsdist this is whenever we want the probability and put a 1.96.*2218

*Here we get the negative side, so we want 1 - and this gives us just 1 tails.*2227

*I am going to change this to 1 tail, so we could look at it.*2241

*Here on one of our tails, one side of it, it is almost 9 1/2% is still out there.*2245

*But when we use the z score only 2 1/2% are still out there.*2253

*Let us look at the same t distribution for a very high degrees of freedom.*2258

*Let us try 60.*2271

*Even with something like 60 we are starting to get very close to the z distribution, but still this guy is more variable than the z distribution.*2273

*Let us see if we could go even higher.*2287

*Instead of 60 I am going to put in 120.*2289

*Notice we are getting closer but still these are more variable than these.*2294

*Let us go a little less.*2303

*Let us go like 1000 and see what happens there.*2304

*We are getting close but still slightly more variable.*2309

*That is a good principle for us to know.*2316

*The t distribution although it approximates normal, it approximates it from one side.*2318

*Here is the normal distribution standards .02499.*2324

*There it is and it is getting closer and closer to it, but it is approaching it from the high-end.*2329

*These numbers are dropping and getting really close to that, but not quite hitting it.*2336

*Now you know how to get the probabilities but what if you have the probably and you want to find the t score?*2345

*What would you do?*2355

*In this case, you would use the inverse t in for inverse.*2356

*Here you would put in the two tailed probability.*2362

*Let us say we want to know what is the t boundary for if we wanted only 5% in our tails?*2366

*Here is the situation I am talking about for this one.*2374

*We had this distribution and we know we want these to be .025, just like a z distribution.*2378

*We want it to .025 but we want to know what these numbers are here.*2393

*We want to know what these numbers are.*2398

*It depends on your degrees of freedom.*2403

*Let us try degrees of freedom of 2, 60, 120, and 1000.*2405

*Let me label this.*2413

*Here we get the probabilities from t dist and here are the probabilities from standardized normal distribution, or the z distribution.*2424

*We do not want the probabilities we actually want the t boundaries themselves and the z boundaries themselves.*2443

*If we want the z boundary at .025 or at 5%, we would use normsin and we put in our probability.*2460

*I forget if it is one tailed or two tailed.*2472

*Let us try one tailed but we would need two tails.*2474

*We get very close to -1.96.*2477

*We just have to memorize that but that is why this is saying at -1.96 you have about 2 1/2% in that little tail.*2489

*Now what about the t?*2501

*In Excel it is inconsistent because z it gives it to you on the negative side, for the t it only gets 2 for the positive side.*2504

*That is confusing but I often do not memorize that.*2512

*I just try out a couple of things until it spits out the thing I'm looking for.*2515

*You have to understand how these things work so that you could predict what's going on.*2520

*We will use t inverse and we want to know the probability and I believe this is going to be two-tailed.*2527

*.05 and degrees of freedom of 2.*2538

*We get .05 and degrees of freedom just to test whether this is one tailed or two tailed.*2543

*Let me put that in.*2563

*I believe you have to give it two tails.*2565

*You have to put in the two tails probability here so that is .05 and the degrees of freedom 2 and this will give us these boundaries.*2570

*This will only give us the positive boundary, but because it is symmetrical, you automatically know the other side.*2580

*This would give us a boundary of 4.3.*2589

*Remember for the z score this boundary will be 1.96 but for a t distribution with the degree of freedom of 2, this would be 4.3.*2593

*That is quite high because remember it is really spread out.*2604

*You got to go way out far in order to get just that 2%.*2609

*What about this boundary for degrees of freedom of 60?*2612

*What do we get then?*2621

*We get something very close to 1.96 but it is a little bigger than 1.96.*2624

*Remember because the t-distribution is more variable you to go farther out there in order to capture just that small amount of .025%.*2630

*That mean 2.5% or .025.*2641

*If we go to 120 we should expect is that boundary to come closer and closer to 1.96 from the big side, but not quite hit 1.96 or more closely 1.9599.*2646

*We are getting close to that 1.96 number, but still it is a little bit higher.*2671

*Finally we will go buck wild and put in degrees of freedom of 1000 we get something very close to 1.96 but still little the higher than 1.96.*2678

*Those are two different ways that you can find the t, as well as the probability that t is associated with.*2692

*Remember the degrees of freedom and you have to know whether you want two tailed probability or one tailed probability.*2701

*As well as your degrees of freedom.*2714

*That is what you will have to know in order to look things up on a t distribution.*2717

*Let us go on to some examples.*2722

*In each of these situations which distribution do you use, the z or the t?*2729

*Is there a 500 million people on Facebook how many people have fewer friends than Diana, who has 490 friends?*2734

*Assume that the number of friends on Facebook is normally distributed and here they give you the sigma.*2742

*We know that you can use the z distribution here.*2749

*Here the researchers want to compare a given sample of Facebook users average number of friends 25 to the entire population.*2753

*What proportion of sample means will be equal or greater than the mean of this group?*2763

*N = 25, but the mean is 580.*2772

*They have an average of 580 friends.*2779

*Here I definitely would not necessarily use z but I also do not have the standard deviation.*2783

*Maybe this is connected to the previous problem.*2796

*If so, if I assume that they come from the whole population and they give us the information for the whole population here.*2800

*If sigma = 100 then I will use z.*2811

*This one I probably left out some information.*2816

*What about this last one?*2820

*Researchers want to know the 95% competence interval for tagged photos given that a sample of 32 people*2822

*have an average of 185 tagged photos and a standard deviation of 112.*2829

*Here it is very clear, since I know s but I do not know the sigma for tagged photos.*2835

*I only know the sigma for friends, but not for tagged photos.*2844

*In this case, what I would do is use the t distribution because I will probably have to estimate*2848

*the population standard deviation from the sample standard deviation.*2855

*Example 2, what we get is that problem and we just have to solve it.*2860

*There are 500 million people on Facebook but how many people have fewer friends than Diana?*2869

*Here it is good to know that we do not need a sampling distribution of the mean.*2874

*We do not need the SDOM.*2880

*In fact, we are just using the population and Diana.*2882

*We could draw the population and it tells us that the population is normally distributed.*2886

*Number of friends is normally distributed and so the mu = 600 and a standard deviation is 100.*2895

*This little space is 100 so this would be 700.*2914

*Diana has 490 friends so here would be 500.*2920

*It is asking how many people have fewer friends than Diana?*2929

*How many have that?*2937

*It is tricky because this will give us the proportion but it would not give us how many people?*2940

*What we will have to do it multiply that proportion to the 500 million.*2950

*This is all 500,000,000 and that is 100%.*2956

*We will need to know some proportion of them that have friends fewer than Diana, fewer than 490.*2961

*We will have to figure that out and so we will have to multiply 500 million by the percentage.*2974

*Let us get cracking.*2981

*We can figure out the z score for Diana and that would be 490 - 600 and ÷ 100.*2984

*I only need to do standard error if I was using the SDOM but I am using the population standard deviation.*3010

*That is often helpful to draw this.*3016

*Here we have about 100 ÷ 100 = -1.1.*3018

*The z score of -1.1 and I want to know the proportion of people who have friends less than Diana.*3031

*You can look this up on the back of your book, so I would just look up the z score of -1.1 or you could put it into Excel normsdist -1.1.*3046

*I should get about .1357 so that would be .1357.*3065

*That is about 13 ½ % of the population have fewer friends than Diana.*3081

*What I want to do is only get 13% of these entire populations and that would be 500 million × .1357.*3089

*You can do this on a calculator, so that × 500 million = 67.83 million.*3103

*Do not forget to put the million part.*3117

*It is not that you only have 67 people who have fewer friends than Diana.*3124

*That would be our answer right there.*3129

*The researchers want to compare a given sample of Facebook users average number of friends a sample of 25 to the whole population.*3132

*What proportion of sample means will be equal or greater than the mean of this group?*3146

*Here I'm going to assume because there is no other way to this problem.*3159

*I am going to assume that we could use the information from example 2 because we are talking about the same thing, the number of friends.*3165

*We actually know the population.*3173

*The population is approximately normally distributed with the mu of 600 and standard deviation of 100.*3176

*Mu= 600, standard deviation=100 and from this I need to generate an SDOM because*3195

*now we are talking about samples of people not just one person at a time.*3205

*Because of that I need to generate SDOM for n = 25.*3211

*The nice thing is we already know the mu sub x bar = mu that is 600 but we actually also know*3216

*the standard error because standard error is standard deviation ÷√n.*3234

*In this case, it is 100 ÷ √25 =20.*3240

*1 standard error away here is 20.*3246

*This would be 580, 560, and so forth.*3255

*It is asking what proportion of sample means will be equal to or greater than the mean of this group?*3262

*Equal to or greater than means all of these and they are just asking for proportions we do not have to do anything to it once we get the answer.*3271

*Well, it might be nice if we could actually get the z score for this SDOM.*3281

*Here, instead of just putting 580 I would want to find the z score here.*3290

*Here are friends but I want to know it in terms of z score.*3296

*It is actually really easy because it is the z score of -1 and we can actually just use the empirical rule to find this out because we know at the mean,*3303

*at the expected value we know that this is 50% and this is 34%.*3318

*If we add that together, the proportion of sample means greater than or equal to the mean*3327

*of this group that = the proportion where z score is greater than or equal to -1 and that is .84%.*3341

*Final example, researchers want to know the 95% competence interval for tagged photos given that*3357

*a sample of 32 people have an average of 185 tagged photos and a standard deviation of 112.*3366

*Interpret what the CI means.*3375

*Here we do not know anything about the population, but we do know x bar which is 185*3377

*and we do know the standard deviation of the sample s which is 112.*3386

*We also know n is 32.*3393

*Remember when we talk about competence interval we want to go from the sample to figure out where the population mean be.*3396

*What we do is we assume that we are going to pretend SDOM here and we assume that the*3408

*x bar is going to equal the expected value of this SDOM which is 185.*3420

*From there we could actually estimate the standard error by using s.*3428

*Here mu sub x bar = 185 this is assumed not sigma but x sub x bar is s ÷ √n=112 ÷ √32.*3438

*If you pull up a calculator you could just calculate that out 112 ÷ √32 and get 19.8.*3460

*We know how far the jumps are and because we used s we cannot just find the z score we have to find t score.*3477

*We will have to use t score in order to create a 95% competence interval.*3496

*Although I do not know what the t distribution for the degrees of freedom of 32 – 1.*3504

*I do not know degrees of freedom of 31 t distributions looks like.*3515

*We will have to figure that out.*3520

*What we eventually want is this to be .025.*3524

*These are together a combined two tailed probability of 5% and we will have to use t inverse because we already know the probability.*3531

*We want to go backwards to find the t.*3544

*T inverse and we put in our two-tailed probability .05 and put in our degrees of freedom, which in this case is 31.*3548

*We ask what is the t and it says it is 2.04.*3559

*The t right here at these borders is 2.04 and because it is symmetrical we also know that this one is -2.04.*3564

*In order to find the competence interval we are really looking for these raw values right here.*3577

*In order to get that we add the middle point and add 2.04 standard errors to get out here and we subtract out 2.04 standard errors to get out here.*3587

*The competence interval will be x bar + or - the t score.*3605

*How many jumps multiplied by how big these jumps actually are and that is the score right here multiplied by s(x).*3615

*If we actually put in our numbers that is going to be 185 + or -2.04 × 19.8.*3627

*If you just pull out a calculator we could get 185.*3638

*Make sure to put that = 185 even I forget sometimes +2.04 × 19.8 and remember Excel knows order of operations.*3643

*It will do the multiplication part before it does the addition part,*3660

*The upper limit will be 225.39 and the lower limit will be 144.61.*3664

*I just rounded to the nearest tenth and this would be 225.4 and this would be 144.6.*3683

*We need to interpret what the CI means.*3697

*This means that there is a 95% chance that the population mean will fall in between 144.6 and 225.4 that is the interval.*3705

*That is it for t-distributions.*3721

*Thank you for using www.educator.com.*3724

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Post by Terry Kim on October 20, 2015

In example 1, last part isn't standard deviation = sigma?

and variance = sigma squared. Since standard deviation = sigma is given shouldn't we use z? not t?

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Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:22 AM

Post by Kedrick Mckissock on March 14, 2015

How do you know when a question is talking about the real SD and not the estimated population SD

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Post by Brijesh Bolar on August 20, 2012

degrees of freedom well explained..